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He has inferred a fair bit from what I have said, yes. Surprisingly, he's very supportive.

I'm not too terribly surprised by it, actually. But I'm still glad to hear.

Are you not? I confess my expectations of anyone being supportive of our cause are negative.

That's because most people are too short-sighted to realize people have already died. The moment they understand the details of the rejoining all they can think about is that billions of people are going to die and completely disregard the fact that it makes absolutely no logical sense to keep things as they are just because, well, that's how it is now I suppose?

There's no logical reason why the shards lives should weigh more than yours and those of your people. If anything. You were there first and restoring the world to its original state makes more sense than keeping things as they are.

But at the end of the day neither option is "good" or "righteous". One inevitably denies the value of someone's life, and their right to live on.

Don't get me wrong, I understand people's desire to keep on living, so I wouldn't exactly begrudge your enemies, and I'd likely be on their side if I was living in a shard. But I don't. And neither is Vergil, and he's obviously not the type to get caught thinking "oh no, billions of people will die, this must not be worth it".

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Hmph. Ever is your blunt pragmatism refreshing.

No, he seems unconcerned with how many must die, and yet he is not heartless, either. Much like you, in some regards.

Glad to see you approve of it.

But you're right, he's definitely not heartless. I'm fairly certain he came to the same conclusions I did and also decided your cause makes more sense, and he likes you more anyway.

Personally I'm obviously not a fan of "what's meant to be is meant to be" so, you know. For me it was an obvious choice.

Ah yes. The personal bias. I was quite aware of its influence on both you and him. For better or worse.

[He smiles wryly.]

Logical reasoning aside, what we do is based on emotions in the end. You, just as much as Emet-Selch and I, I think. And Vergil as well I suspect. However we may justify the ends and the means, really it is all motivated by pure selfish desire.

[ good answer bread ]

Pretty much. I do believe out of all of us I might have the strongest case for anyone wanting to go on a moral crusade, but I'd save my world regardless of any eventual consequences for others, or the timeline.

In the end it's a selfish desire for me as well.

I admit it's refreshing to know I've found like-minded people here. I never expected it.

Perhaps you do. But it's good not to rely on self-delusion. One must accept that the path one walks is for oneself, in matters like ours.

Too fragile are the ideas of righteousness and good versus evil.

Love and personal desire are good enough motivators, it need be no more complicated than that. In pursuit of the rebirth of my god, I will do all that must be done, no matter the cost.

[ okay that is a considerably less good answer and he does tense up, it's obvious there's not as much approval of THAT ]

Of course. Your all-powerful god.

[Sorry they be like this]

Yes. Our all-powerful god. You disapprove.

Is that surprising? I understand he had to serve its purpose and that he's necessary to stop whatever it is that destroyed your world in the first place.

But I dislike that you've been tempered.

[He refills his coffee with a tap of his finger to it, gotta love dreams, and takes another sip.]

I suppose from your perspective it would seem we are thralls to His will. But His will is our own. We created Him with a singular purpose and with our thoughts and desires aligned. Surely Emet-Selch told you this?

He did, but you'll forgive me for being skeptical given that you're bound to him.

I've had the pleasure of experiencing the tempering myself, in one of Emet-Selch's dreams. Suffice it to say I haven't exactly been enthusiastic about it ever since.

Interesting. How would you describe the experience? You may well be the only being in existence to experience tempering without then... Being tempered. Academically I would find your perspective on it fascinating.

It felt like shit.

[ that's it that's how he sums it up. But he'll finish his coffee, and then put the cup down like he's expecting Lahabrea to refill it ]

I tried to resist it at the start of it, the moment I felt something in my head insisting everything would be all right. But I couldn't. I couldn't tell whether all my thoughts were my own or if some of them were suggested by it. And at the time I didn't even care.

Even now I don't know what part of it was me and what part of it was him. Not that it matters - all I did after was look for Emet-Selch.

[He does in fact refill the cup. Listening with interest at least.]

And then?

Nothing else of interest happened. It was Emet-Selch's dream and it isn't as if I was given direct commands. I suppose it was simply as if I was trusting your God and truly believing that initial promise. That everything would be all right, and I was safe, and all I had to do was believe in him.

And now you do not.

I have no reason to trust him. Quite the contrary, in fact.

I cannot stand the idea of you reclaiming your world, only for it to be taken by you again. And this time you'd be unable to do anything about it.

[He smiles just a little.]

I do appreciate your sentiment. But that would not happen.

So you say, but I have no way of knowing whether that's you talking, or your god. And judging by my experience, I know you can't tell either.

I don't oppose what you're trying to do, or even your god existence by itself. But I will not approve of your will being taken away, regardless of how many times you say your will is one and the same.

[ there's a sigh at that, and he takes a sip of his coffee ]

I suppose I'll have to hope there will be a way to keep an eye on you two, after all of this.

[He laughs.]

I would call you sentimental... But I suppose we all are. I shall accept your concern in the spirit it is meant, needless as it may be.

You definitely are in no position to call me sentimental.

[ maybe he won't mention that he's trying to find ways to undo the tempering, but it's good to see he at least doesn't mind his disapproval ]

[He's logically detached enough not to care that Five hates it. After all, tempering in general is in fact bad! He's well aware primals warp the intentions of their summoners, and corrupt the existences they touch. Lahabrea more than any of the other ascians may be aware of it in fact.

But that doesn't mean he's capable of seeing his own existence is corrupted. He just understands that objectively it would seem that way, while subjectively he thinks he's fine.]

Well, we both pale in comparison to a certain someone.

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