Valour 5: Well first there's the engagement ring when you propose, then there's the actual wedding bands. The rings Emet-Selch and I west were technically given at the proposal, but they are wedding bands. They're exchanged during the ceremony, along with vows.
Lily Pads:wait there're two sets of rings? Lily Pads:and of that, just one engagement ring? Lily Pads:why? Lily Pads:i mean i get that if someone is proposing the proposee doesn't know it's happening Lily Pads:but if they accept why doesn't the other person get an engagement ring too later?
Lily Pads:your faith in me is undeserved and yet inspiring
[sigh she is off her game, not that five is easy to fool in the first place but she should have at least tried to couch that in some misdirection. she didn't even make the effort.
Lily Pads is typing...]
Lily Pads:I've been proposed to, so I was wondering how people did this thing, I guess.
Valour 5: He doesn't have the emotional maturity to understand what he's asking you, let alone follow through on what the promise of a marriage is Valour 5: Though I guess it shouldn't have been surprising
Valour 5: Experience. Valour 5: To start with. Has he actually thought of what will happen after this place? Valour 5: Last I heard he was going to come to my world along with Luther. Which is another significant life-changing decision. So what about you? Are you coming to my world as well? Or are you now all going to go somewhere else? Has he asked you? has he asked Luther?
Valour 5: And the fact you don't know proves my point Valour 5: He has no idea what he's asking Valour 5: Being upfront with you from the start and thinking of the potential issues, acting to solve them, and inform you of it all, should have been the first few steps he took. Valour 5: Besides. He needs to be explained things on regular basis, I don't think it's a wild claim for me to say he doesn't have the emotional maturity to know what he's asking and follow through. Valour 5: In either case the decision is yours.
Lily Pads:I don't think that's fair. Lily Pads:But I guess it's my fault for not explaining properly. Lily Pads:It really happened spontaneously. Lily Pads:Not a formal proposal, I guess? I don't know how these things work where he's from. Lily Pads:He doesn't remember either, so it's a moot point Lily Pads:Just the intent, I suppose, was there. That he wants to.
Valour 5: It's not that. Valour 5: But it is somewhat private and despite the fact I'm warning you against marriage that doesn't mean I'm trying to give you a negative image of him.
[ praise him for holding back his next thought which is "he's good enough at doing that all on his own". But that means there is a pause where he clearly types and then deletes ]
Valour 5:Just be mindful of your own feelings as well.
Lily Pads:It's fine. You don't have to justify yourself to me.
[she's surprised he even offered an explanation but she's too stuck in her head right now to connect the obvious dots there. thankfully, this is a text conversation.]
Lily Pads:Thanks.
[it belatedly occurs to her though that she hasn't said much in the way of vivi's defense and she feels a mixture of frustration and shame on top of everything else but--]
Valour 5: I know, he's not a bad person Valour 5: I'm saying he's immature, not a war criminal Valour 5: If I weren't certain he would treat you and Luther well I would have already killed him and hid the body.
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Lily Pads: and of that, just one engagement ring?
Lily Pads: why?
Lily Pads: i mean i get that if someone is proposing the proposee doesn't know it's happening
Lily Pads: but if they accept why doesn't the other person get an engagement ring too later?
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Valour 5: I guess you can get two engagement rings if you want
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Valour 5: If you're proposing I'm afraid I'll have to turn you down.
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Lily Pads: how will i ever recover from this heartbreak
Lily Pads: perhaps with poetry
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Valour 5: Can I ask why you were wondering?
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[sigh she is off her game, not that five is easy to fool in the first place but she should have at least tried to couch that in some misdirection. she didn't even make the effort.
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Lily Pads: I've been proposed to, so I was wondering how people did this thing, I guess.
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Valour 5: By whom?
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Lily Pads: Is that so surprising?
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Valour 5: Though I guess it shouldn't have been surprising
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Lily Pads: What makes you say that?
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Valour 5: To start with. Has he actually thought of what will happen after this place?
Valour 5: Last I heard he was going to come to my world along with Luther. Which is another significant life-changing decision. So what about you? Are you coming to my world as well? Or are you now all going to go somewhere else? Has he asked you? has he asked Luther?
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Lily Pads: He could have, for all I know.
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Valour 5: He has no idea what he's asking
Valour 5: Being upfront with you from the start and thinking of the potential issues, acting to solve them, and inform you of it all, should have been the first few steps he took.
Valour 5: Besides. He needs to be explained things on regular basis, I don't think it's a wild claim for me to say he doesn't have the emotional maturity to know what he's asking and follow through.
Valour 5: In either case the decision is yours.
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Lily Pads: But I guess it's my fault for not explaining properly.
Lily Pads: It really happened spontaneously.
Lily Pads: Not a formal proposal, I guess? I don't know how these things work where he's from.
Lily Pads: He doesn't remember either, so it's a moot point
Lily Pads: Just the intent, I suppose, was there. That he wants to.
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Valour 5: That only further confirms he has no idea what he's asking
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Lily Pads: What sorts of things have you needed to explain to him?
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Lily Pads: If it runs that deep I don't want to know then.
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Valour 5: But it is somewhat private and despite the fact I'm warning you against marriage that doesn't mean I'm trying to give you a negative image of him.
[ praise him for holding back his next thought which is "he's good enough at doing that all on his own". But that means there is a pause where he clearly types and then deletes ]
Valour 5:Just be mindful of your own feelings as well.
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[she's surprised he even offered an explanation but she's too stuck in her head right now to connect the obvious dots there. thankfully, this is a text conversation.]
Lily Pads: Thanks.
[it belatedly occurs to her though that she hasn't said much in the way of vivi's defense and she feels a mixture of frustration and shame on top of everything else but--]
Lily Pads: He's always been good to me.
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Valour 5: I'm saying he's immature, not a war criminal
Valour 5: If I weren't certain he would treat you and Luther well I would have already killed him and hid the body.
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