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This memory covers a bit of headcanon training + what is shown in the show, along with tattooing part seen in Episode 1, from 42:05 to 43:10. I can't upload videos, so instead I uploaded screenshots of the scene at this album
DESCRIPTION
- The memory shows Valour, along with five of his siblings, training under the strict supervision of their father. A sixth sibling is at their father's side, but simply to help note down each individual performance.
- The training is mostly for endurance, speed, and general use of powers/adapting them to the situation at hand. Valour's clearly shown teleporting from one place to another, and accused of cheating for it - his name is said but is redacted.
- Their fathers' words are part of the training and said out loud at some point:
Nietzche once said, "Man is as a rope, stretched between the animal and the superhuman. A rope over an abyss. It is a dangerous crossing, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous trembling and halting".
As much as you must strive for individual greatness, and strive you must, for it won't come to you of its own accord ... you must also remember that there is no individual stronger than the collective.
The ties that bind you together make you stronger than you are alone. They will make you impervious to the pain and hardship the world will thrust upon you. And believe me when I tell you, life will be hard. It will be painful."
- After the training, the children are getting fancy matching tats! Judging from general crying, worried and pained expression, nobody actually wanted that, but they sure are all going along with it. Valour himself looks anxious and very much uncertain about how legit any of this is.
- Only 6 of them are getting the tattoos. The child that was taking notes earlier is hiding, with debatable success, and just looking at the rest of them. Valour's aware of her presence but he's silent throughout the entire ordeal, anyway.
IMPRESSION:
- This is not a good memory. During the training part, Valour's focused on self improvement and his own performance, and though there are feelings of pride his own abilities and being capable of adapting, there is a lot of uncertainty toward his father. This increases exponentially as they're being forced to get tattoos and told that life is shit anyway, so deal with it.
- He has a Lot Of Feelings for his siblings and part of his anxiousness is directly related to seeing them in pain. But he doesn't know how to handle that or how to actually grasp what he's feeling, so it's just a mess of ??????
IN IMEEJI:
- He's going to hate it but his father's "you are stronger together than you are alone" makes sense, is reasonable, and fits with what he needs to survive in Imeeji. He will keep that in mind.
- Getting some good 'ol empathy.
DESCRIPTION
- The memory shows Valour, along with five of his siblings, training under the strict supervision of their father. A sixth sibling is at their father's side, but simply to help note down each individual performance.
- The training is mostly for endurance, speed, and general use of powers/adapting them to the situation at hand. Valour's clearly shown teleporting from one place to another, and accused of cheating for it - his name is said but is redacted.
- Their fathers' words are part of the training and said out loud at some point:
Nietzche once said, "Man is as a rope, stretched between the animal and the superhuman. A rope over an abyss. It is a dangerous crossing, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous trembling and halting".
As much as you must strive for individual greatness, and strive you must, for it won't come to you of its own accord ... you must also remember that there is no individual stronger than the collective.
The ties that bind you together make you stronger than you are alone. They will make you impervious to the pain and hardship the world will thrust upon you. And believe me when I tell you, life will be hard. It will be painful."
- After the training, the children are getting fancy matching tats! Judging from general crying, worried and pained expression, nobody actually wanted that, but they sure are all going along with it. Valour himself looks anxious and very much uncertain about how legit any of this is.
- Only 6 of them are getting the tattoos. The child that was taking notes earlier is hiding, with debatable success, and just looking at the rest of them. Valour's aware of her presence but he's silent throughout the entire ordeal, anyway.
IMPRESSION:
- This is not a good memory. During the training part, Valour's focused on self improvement and his own performance, and though there are feelings of pride his own abilities and being capable of adapting, there is a lot of uncertainty toward his father. This increases exponentially as they're being forced to get tattoos and told that life is shit anyway, so deal with it.
- He has a Lot Of Feelings for his siblings and part of his anxiousness is directly related to seeing them in pain. But he doesn't know how to handle that or how to actually grasp what he's feeling, so it's just a mess of ??????
IN IMEEJI:
- He's going to hate it but his father's "you are stronger together than you are alone" makes sense, is reasonable, and fits with what he needs to survive in Imeeji. He will keep that in mind.
- Getting some good 'ol empathy.
Edited 2019-11-14 17:29 (UTC)
The first half of the memory is in this album through screenshot, the murder action part is in this video. Warning for eye trauma, general violence, fingers poking into a open wound.
Episode 1 from 45:20 to 46:00 and 48:20 to 52:58
DESCRIPTION
- The memory starts with Valour going through the kitchen shelves to look for coffee. One of his siblings is sitting at the table and another joins them later on as she looks for "Vanya", but Valour is more interested in getting coffee
- This prompts his sister to point out their father hated caffeine (he's dead then?), and his brother to reply that HE HATED CHILDREN TOO, AND YET :)
- Coffee is still more important than family bonding so Valour decides to go out for a drive
- He heads to a doughnut shop and shares anecdotes of simpler times in his childhood with another man
- Shortly after, a group of armed people come look for him - something which is clear he expected, just not that soon
- H E M U R D E R S T H E M A L L
- And then proceeds to cut his arm open and dig into the wound to remove a tracker, like it's nothing
IMPRESSIONS:
- In his last memory, he and his siblings looked the same age. This is clearly no longer the case as his siblings look much older now, and he doesn't. His demeanor and his talk with the other man makes it abundantly clear that he's not an actual child, though.
- He's much more distant in his memory, and there is a sense of "nothing of this matters and I have much more important things to do" to it all. There's a sense of urgency beneath it all that he doesn't grasp quite yet, but he can tell it colored his perspective a lot
- Look at all that skilled murder. He's very clearly used to this, and pretty damn deadly. He knew where to hit, what damage to cause, and was entirely confident in his ability to take out an entire squad. That explains why he was not opposed to the idea of killing people, probably.
- There's some considerations about his powers and how they drain him but it's not relevant because he can't use them anymore anyway
Episode 1 from 45:20 to 46:00 and 48:20 to 52:58
DESCRIPTION
- The memory starts with Valour going through the kitchen shelves to look for coffee. One of his siblings is sitting at the table and another joins them later on as she looks for "Vanya", but Valour is more interested in getting coffee
- This prompts his sister to point out their father hated caffeine (he's dead then?), and his brother to reply that HE HATED CHILDREN TOO, AND YET :)
- Coffee is still more important than family bonding so Valour decides to go out for a drive
- He heads to a doughnut shop and shares anecdotes of simpler times in his childhood with another man
- Shortly after, a group of armed people come look for him - something which is clear he expected, just not that soon
- H E M U R D E R S T H E M A L L
- And then proceeds to cut his arm open and dig into the wound to remove a tracker, like it's nothing
IMPRESSIONS:
- In his last memory, he and his siblings looked the same age. This is clearly no longer the case as his siblings look much older now, and he doesn't. His demeanor and his talk with the other man makes it abundantly clear that he's not an actual child, though.
- He's much more distant in his memory, and there is a sense of "nothing of this matters and I have much more important things to do" to it all. There's a sense of urgency beneath it all that he doesn't grasp quite yet, but he can tell it colored his perspective a lot
- Look at all that skilled murder. He's very clearly used to this, and pretty damn deadly. He knew where to hit, what damage to cause, and was entirely confident in his ability to take out an entire squad. That explains why he was not opposed to the idea of killing people, probably.
- There's some considerations about his powers and how they drain him but it's not relevant because he can't use them anymore anyway
Edited 2019-12-04 02:09 (UTC)
Screenshots here, Episode 2 00:20 to 4:30
DESCRIPTION
- The memory starts with Valour and his siblings getting ready for mealtime, reuniting at the table after being called by their mother with a bell, and waiting for their father to grant them permission to sit
- They start eating while listening to an informative record — Valour is shown to be extremely impatient through it all and fed up. He soon reveals why and demands attention by just fucking stabbing the table
- His name is said out loud. It's NUMBER FIVE.
- He explains that he wants to time travel and has an argument with his father about it. Through it, he exchanges glances with his sister that basically tries to get him to drop it, but he doesn't, and insists despite his father's warnings
- Reginald orders him to stop talking about it, but Five is of another mind and simply leaves right then and there. As he exits the academy, he actually does travel through time, proving that he totally was ready for it
- ... except he travels too far ahead and ends up in a future in which everything is destroyed. Any glee he had at being able to time travel is gone and replaced by fear and dread and shock as he witnesses the destruction around him and runs back to the academy
- except everything is destroyed and everyone is dead so what good does that do :D
- he tries to time travel right back, and is unable to. At the end of the memory he's falling to his knees and basically on the verge of crying
IMPRESSIONS:
- Okay his father was right but he's still an asshole and that's it
- His name is number five holy shit
- If he can time travel that explains why his siblings looked older, but he didn't
- That is an amount of destruction he never wanted to see and there are too many feelings he cannot process. He's absolutely terrified
DESCRIPTION
- The memory starts with Valour and his siblings getting ready for mealtime, reuniting at the table after being called by their mother with a bell, and waiting for their father to grant them permission to sit
- They start eating while listening to an informative record — Valour is shown to be extremely impatient through it all and fed up. He soon reveals why and demands attention by just fucking stabbing the table
- His name is said out loud. It's NUMBER FIVE.
- He explains that he wants to time travel and has an argument with his father about it. Through it, he exchanges glances with his sister that basically tries to get him to drop it, but he doesn't, and insists despite his father's warnings
- Reginald orders him to stop talking about it, but Five is of another mind and simply leaves right then and there. As he exits the academy, he actually does travel through time, proving that he totally was ready for it
- ... except he travels too far ahead and ends up in a future in which everything is destroyed. Any glee he had at being able to time travel is gone and replaced by fear and dread and shock as he witnesses the destruction around him and runs back to the academy
- except everything is destroyed and everyone is dead so what good does that do :D
- he tries to time travel right back, and is unable to. At the end of the memory he's falling to his knees and basically on the verge of crying
IMPRESSIONS:
- Okay his father was right but he's still an asshole and that's it
- His name is number five holy shit
- If he can time travel that explains why his siblings looked older, but he didn't
- That is an amount of destruction he never wanted to see and there are too many feelings he cannot process. He's absolutely terrified
The memory does not show any of the flashbacks or old-man!Five, and simply has him narrate what happened to Luther. Screenshots of the scene at this album. Covers Season one Episode 5 2:50 to 6:17 and 9:00 to 11:40
DESCRIPTION
- The memory starts with a nearly-sobered up Valour explaining to his brother that the world is ending in 4 days. Luther is upset by Valour keeping it hidden until then, but Five explains that saying it or not wouldn't have changed anything, since his siblings already tried to stop whatever causes the apocalypse and failed.
- There is confirmation that they died horribly, and that Valour did end up finding their bodies while stuck in the apocalypse. Though Valour is very clearly trying to keep his emotions in check as he narrates this, it is obvious that recalling it is painful
- Luther tries to help in finding a solution and a way to stop the Apocalypse, but his idea is something Valour already tried, and it lead to nowhere. Before they can discuss the matter any further, they are interrupted by another one of their siblings, Diego, who storms into the room majorly upset and pissed at Valour
- Apparently Valour caused no less than three incidents just by existing, and that ultimately lead to the death of one of Diego's friends
- Valour explains that the people after him work for his former employer, a woman called the Handler, who is trying to stop them. Unsurprisingly none of this actually makes Diego any less upset, and despite Valour trying to persuade him out of it, he storms away with the intention of going after the people who killed his friend
- At this point, Luther insists to hear more about Valour's former employer. He explains that while he was stuck in the apocalypse, eventually a woman found and approached him, offering him a job in the Temps Commission - an organization tasked with the preservation of time. Their objective is to keep things "as they should be", and eliminate anyone who might influence or alter time in any way. According to them, the end of the world was supposed to happen.
- Valour explains that he accepted the offer, and in turn became "the perfect instrument for rehabilitation of the time continuum" - in other words, a really, highly skilled killer. Although no one was as good as him, he makes a point to mention that there were others like him, people who exist out of time and that were recruited like he was. Unlike them, however, Valour was trying to find a way to go back in time so he could save the world. Eventually he found the right equation, so he broke his contract and traveled back in time.
- Apparently having actual morals, Luther seems confused by Valour being a hit man, and tries to find reassurance that his brother is not, like, a total asshole, by going "but you had a code right?". THERE WAS NO CODE.
- As Luther keeps pushing on how that is murder, Valour pushes back by stating it was the only way he could get back, and advises Luther to grow up. "There's no such things as good guys or bad guys. There's just people, goin' about their lives. But when the world ends, all those people die, including our family."
IMPRESSIONS:
- Some of the details he provides here were things he had guessed. He knew his family likely died, and knew he had to have brought trouble with him when he traveled back in time. Though he thought of it as a possibility he did not actually imagine the world ended, however, and had assumed (hoped) all the devastation was around the Academy. Apparently not!
- Two siblings names! This memory also gives a good glimpse in what Luther and Diego's respective personalities are.
- This memory does push him toward his tendency to focus on the larger picture, and hammers in the whole "everything is worth it to save the world / nothing matters if everyone is going to die anyway, so might as well"
- Which yeah also mean his obsession with saving the world and stopping the apocalypse (and saving his family) is also hammered in
- Being addressed as Five somehow does not bother him at all when it's his siblings saying the name
DESCRIPTION
- The memory starts with a nearly-sobered up Valour explaining to his brother that the world is ending in 4 days. Luther is upset by Valour keeping it hidden until then, but Five explains that saying it or not wouldn't have changed anything, since his siblings already tried to stop whatever causes the apocalypse and failed.
- There is confirmation that they died horribly, and that Valour did end up finding their bodies while stuck in the apocalypse. Though Valour is very clearly trying to keep his emotions in check as he narrates this, it is obvious that recalling it is painful
- Luther tries to help in finding a solution and a way to stop the Apocalypse, but his idea is something Valour already tried, and it lead to nowhere. Before they can discuss the matter any further, they are interrupted by another one of their siblings, Diego, who storms into the room majorly upset and pissed at Valour
- Apparently Valour caused no less than three incidents just by existing, and that ultimately lead to the death of one of Diego's friends
- Valour explains that the people after him work for his former employer, a woman called the Handler, who is trying to stop them. Unsurprisingly none of this actually makes Diego any less upset, and despite Valour trying to persuade him out of it, he storms away with the intention of going after the people who killed his friend
- At this point, Luther insists to hear more about Valour's former employer. He explains that while he was stuck in the apocalypse, eventually a woman found and approached him, offering him a job in the Temps Commission - an organization tasked with the preservation of time. Their objective is to keep things "as they should be", and eliminate anyone who might influence or alter time in any way. According to them, the end of the world was supposed to happen.
- Valour explains that he accepted the offer, and in turn became "the perfect instrument for rehabilitation of the time continuum" - in other words, a really, highly skilled killer. Although no one was as good as him, he makes a point to mention that there were others like him, people who exist out of time and that were recruited like he was. Unlike them, however, Valour was trying to find a way to go back in time so he could save the world. Eventually he found the right equation, so he broke his contract and traveled back in time.
- Apparently having actual morals, Luther seems confused by Valour being a hit man, and tries to find reassurance that his brother is not, like, a total asshole, by going "but you had a code right?". THERE WAS NO CODE.
- As Luther keeps pushing on how that is murder, Valour pushes back by stating it was the only way he could get back, and advises Luther to grow up. "There's no such things as good guys or bad guys. There's just people, goin' about their lives. But when the world ends, all those people die, including our family."
IMPRESSIONS:
- Some of the details he provides here were things he had guessed. He knew his family likely died, and knew he had to have brought trouble with him when he traveled back in time. Though he thought of it as a possibility he did not actually imagine the world ended, however, and had assumed (hoped) all the devastation was around the Academy. Apparently not!
- Two siblings names! This memory also gives a good glimpse in what Luther and Diego's respective personalities are.
- This memory does push him toward his tendency to focus on the larger picture, and hammers in the whole "everything is worth it to save the world / nothing matters if everyone is going to die anyway, so might as well"
- Which yeah also mean his obsession with saving the world and stopping the apocalypse (and saving his family) is also hammered in
- Being addressed as Five somehow does not bother him at all when it's his siblings saying the name
Edited 2019-12-29 22:09 (UTC)
Screenshots of it here, Episode 1 32:50 to 36:09 pls check the screenshoots for the entire convo because i'm just too lazy to sum it up properly today
The memory starts with a temporal portal being opened up - Five's seeing his siblings from the other side of it, and the fire extinguisher Klaus throws at the portal comes to his side. This is where he tries to actually cross the portal and reach his siblings. Though he was in an entirely different body (a OLD MAN) before that, once he crosses the porty he finds himself into a child's body - which is the one he has in Imeeji.
He then heads to the kitchen to fix himself a sandwich with marshmellows and peanut butter. Though it's not stated anywhere in the memory there is a significance in him picking that snack, of all things, and although Five will know that he will not know what was important about it. Regardless, he asks for the date with the precise intention of figuring out how many days he has left until the Apocalypse arrive, and has then to answer his siblings' questions on where he's been all this time - to which he reveals he traveled to the future and that he was stuck there for about 45 years. He now has exact ages! His consciousness is 58, his body is 13. Within the memory his father's death is also mentioned, as is the method he used to travel back in time. At the end of the memory he goes to grab some clothes that would fit him and look at that. IT'S ONLY THE ACADEMY'S UNIFORM. ]
CONSIDERTIONS:
- They're short a sibling there. In the garden he could see a statue - a memorial?
- He doesn't have the formula for time travel right, but knowing the method helps him narrow down what it could have been considerably
- HE WAS STUCK IN THE FUTURE FOR 45 YEARS. HE GREW OLD THERE
- But maybe he wasn't alone after all? Who's Delores?
- He can tell that by this point in time he's pretty over his father and his bullshit, so outsmarting them is not something he actually cares about
- Diego and Luther are at odds with each other, and that's business as usual
- He knows seeing his siblings ALIVE for the first time was an actual big emotional moment and yet he acts like he doesn't care. Mental energies are entirely focused on the apocalypse, and preventing it.
The memory starts with a temporal portal being opened up - Five's seeing his siblings from the other side of it, and the fire extinguisher Klaus throws at the portal comes to his side. This is where he tries to actually cross the portal and reach his siblings. Though he was in an entirely different body (a OLD MAN) before that, once he crosses the porty he finds himself into a child's body - which is the one he has in Imeeji.
He then heads to the kitchen to fix himself a sandwich with marshmellows and peanut butter. Though it's not stated anywhere in the memory there is a significance in him picking that snack, of all things, and although Five will know that he will not know what was important about it. Regardless, he asks for the date with the precise intention of figuring out how many days he has left until the Apocalypse arrive, and has then to answer his siblings' questions on where he's been all this time - to which he reveals he traveled to the future and that he was stuck there for about 45 years. He now has exact ages! His consciousness is 58, his body is 13. Within the memory his father's death is also mentioned, as is the method he used to travel back in time. At the end of the memory he goes to grab some clothes that would fit him and look at that. IT'S ONLY THE ACADEMY'S UNIFORM. ]
CONSIDERTIONS:
- They're short a sibling there. In the garden he could see a statue - a memorial?
- He doesn't have the formula for time travel right, but knowing the method helps him narrow down what it could have been considerably
- HE WAS STUCK IN THE FUTURE FOR 45 YEARS. HE GREW OLD THERE
- But maybe he wasn't alone after all? Who's Delores?
- He can tell that by this point in time he's pretty over his father and his bullshit, so outsmarting them is not something he actually cares about
- Diego and Luther are at odds with each other, and that's business as usual
- He knows seeing his siblings ALIVE for the first time was an actual big emotional moment and yet he acts like he doesn't care. Mental energies are entirely focused on the apocalypse, and preventing it.
Edited 2020-01-14 18:23 (UTC)
Screenshots here, Episode 2 32:30 to 36:30
DESCRIPTION
The memory starts with Five and his brother trying to get the name of the eye owner from the company that manufactored it. Valour will recognize the eye from the memory in which he talked with Luther about the Apocalypse. He's apparently enlisted Klaus' help (GARBAGE CANNOT HAS A NAME!) for this, and got him to pretend it's his father. Thanks to some good 'ol family questionability, he manage to persuade Lance into giving the name to them.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter: the eye hasn't been manufactured yet and there is NO NAME to be given. Five loses his temper with Klaus when he doesn't seem to take the apocalypse seriously enough, and through that conversation he ends up mentioning Delores once more. A woman he spent his days in the apocalypse together - and with the amount of emotion he feels as he talks about her, he KNOWS she's important. In the end, however, Klaus ruins the moment by rambling and Five decides he's had enough and just teleports the fuck away into a taxi.
CONSIDERATIONS
- Klaus is brilliant in his own right but holy shit. Is he also incredibly annoying.
- He had assumed he did not try to enlist his siblings help due to them dying in the future, but apparently he DID try, and came to the conclusion it was a waste of time.
- DELORES!!!!!!
DESCRIPTION
The memory starts with Five and his brother trying to get the name of the eye owner from the company that manufactored it. Valour will recognize the eye from the memory in which he talked with Luther about the Apocalypse. He's apparently enlisted Klaus' help (GARBAGE CANNOT HAS A NAME!) for this, and got him to pretend it's his father. Thanks to some good 'ol family questionability, he manage to persuade Lance into giving the name to them.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter: the eye hasn't been manufactured yet and there is NO NAME to be given. Five loses his temper with Klaus when he doesn't seem to take the apocalypse seriously enough, and through that conversation he ends up mentioning Delores once more. A woman he spent his days in the apocalypse together - and with the amount of emotion he feels as he talks about her, he KNOWS she's important. In the end, however, Klaus ruins the moment by rambling and Five decides he's had enough and just teleports the fuck away into a taxi.
CONSIDERATIONS
- Klaus is brilliant in his own right but holy shit. Is he also incredibly annoying.
- He had assumed he did not try to enlist his siblings help due to them dying in the future, but apparently he DID try, and came to the conclusion it was a waste of time.
- DELORES!!!!!!
Screenshots here, Episode 2 48:08 to 53:59
DESCRIPTION
Memory starts at night, with Five sneaking into a closed mall using his teleportation powers. It's pretty obvious he's looking for something very specific from the get go, and he starts searching the moment he gets himself a flashlight. Once he does find what he was looking for he SMILES and it's both sweet and heartbreaking because he finds Delores
who is a mannequin
He's at a pretty low point in this memory, and he's specifically going to Delores for comfort. It's not said outright, but it's clear they have not seen each other in some time, which is why he was missing her that badly. Their reunion is cut pretty short, however, as two assassins from the commission are after him. They are way, way more skilled and dangerous than the first group he remembered, and from the memory he got where he talked with Luther and Diego, he can tell this is Hazel and Cha-Cha. The smartest way to deal with them would be to teleport as far away from them as possible, but he's there for Delores and does not want to leave her there. Thus, he's actively exhausting himself in order to find ways to bring HER to safety, and he even eventually hits the upper limit of his ability, being unable to jump through space again. He survives by a stroke of luck.
CONSIDERATIONS
- He is so incredibly gentle with Delores, and this is clear in the way he speaks with her, reacts to her presence, and how he touches her later on in the memory
- He was also absolutely willing to risk his life for this mannequin despite that being not logical at all
- This is the most emotionally vulnerable he's ever been and Delores is someone he pours his heart open to
- He's 100% aware that she's a mannequin and that's the reason he did not immediately say who Delores was when Vanya questioned it in his earlier memory. But to him, she's very much real.
- Fuck hazel and cha-cha tho they hurt her :(
DESCRIPTION
Memory starts at night, with Five sneaking into a closed mall using his teleportation powers. It's pretty obvious he's looking for something very specific from the get go, and he starts searching the moment he gets himself a flashlight. Once he does find what he was looking for he SMILES and it's both sweet and heartbreaking because he finds Delores
who is a mannequin
He's at a pretty low point in this memory, and he's specifically going to Delores for comfort. It's not said outright, but it's clear they have not seen each other in some time, which is why he was missing her that badly. Their reunion is cut pretty short, however, as two assassins from the commission are after him. They are way, way more skilled and dangerous than the first group he remembered, and from the memory he got where he talked with Luther and Diego, he can tell this is Hazel and Cha-Cha. The smartest way to deal with them would be to teleport as far away from them as possible, but he's there for Delores and does not want to leave her there. Thus, he's actively exhausting himself in order to find ways to bring HER to safety, and he even eventually hits the upper limit of his ability, being unable to jump through space again. He survives by a stroke of luck.
CONSIDERATIONS
- He is so incredibly gentle with Delores, and this is clear in the way he speaks with her, reacts to her presence, and how he touches her later on in the memory
- He was also absolutely willing to risk his life for this mannequin despite that being not logical at all
- This is the most emotionally vulnerable he's ever been and Delores is someone he pours his heart open to
- He's 100% aware that she's a mannequin and that's the reason he did not immediately say who Delores was when Vanya questioned it in his earlier memory. But to him, she's very much real.
- Fuck hazel and cha-cha tho they hurt her :(
Edited 2020-01-14 18:15 (UTC)
Video here, Interview portion in screenshots here. For my personal ease I'm adding some bit of headcanon on the information provided in the interview.
Episode 01 24:22 to 27:40
Description:
There's an armed bank robbery and people have been taken hostage. The situation is dire and complex, and no one seems to know how to act. No one but a bunch of school children, apparently, who infiltrate the bank and take care of the robbers in not-exactly-conventional ways.
The memory shows Five and his siblings as kids, and most importantly, showcases some of their powers. Allison has some sort of mind-controlling powers that are activated by saying "I heard a rumor", Luther has super strength, Diego seems to be able to throw knives really well???. Five shows his powers as well, and seems to be exactly as cocky and arrogant as he was in that first time-traveling memory, though honestly all of these children seem like they're little shits. He definitely has a far more obvious mischievous steak and seems to take great satisfaction in making fun of the bank robber. Finally, Ben's power as shown too - or rather, implied, as some sort of creature absolutely tears apart the rest of the robbers. Ben does not seem to actually enjoy having to use his powers, unlike the rest of his siblings.
Notably, killing these criminals was absolutely not off the table and, like, yeah, they murdered them all. But as they exit the bank that's not exactly called in question and they're eventually greeted as heroes. Their father eventually shows up to introduce his PASSION PROJECT to the interview: the Umbrella Academy. He explains that the world "has changed" and that there are people who are gifted with extraordinary abilities. He adopted six of these children (wasn't it seven?), though that's not exactly accurate as he apparently just up and BOUGHT them.
The memory will also explain their actual origin story: in October 1989, 43 women around the world gave birth to children, all at the exact same time. None of the women were pregnant before them. The children Mr. Hargreeves adopter are those of them he could find.
Episode 01 24:22 to 27:40
Description:
There's an armed bank robbery and people have been taken hostage. The situation is dire and complex, and no one seems to know how to act. No one but a bunch of school children, apparently, who infiltrate the bank and take care of the robbers in not-exactly-conventional ways.
The memory shows Five and his siblings as kids, and most importantly, showcases some of their powers. Allison has some sort of mind-controlling powers that are activated by saying "I heard a rumor", Luther has super strength, Diego seems to be able to throw knives really well???. Five shows his powers as well, and seems to be exactly as cocky and arrogant as he was in that first time-traveling memory, though honestly all of these children seem like they're little shits. He definitely has a far more obvious mischievous steak and seems to take great satisfaction in making fun of the bank robber. Finally, Ben's power as shown too - or rather, implied, as some sort of creature absolutely tears apart the rest of the robbers. Ben does not seem to actually enjoy having to use his powers, unlike the rest of his siblings.
Notably, killing these criminals was absolutely not off the table and, like, yeah, they murdered them all. But as they exit the bank that's not exactly called in question and they're eventually greeted as heroes. Their father eventually shows up to introduce his PASSION PROJECT to the interview: the Umbrella Academy. He explains that the world "has changed" and that there are people who are gifted with extraordinary abilities. He adopted six of these children (wasn't it seven?), though that's not exactly accurate as he apparently just up and BOUGHT them.
The memory will also explain their actual origin story: in October 1989, 43 women around the world gave birth to children, all at the exact same time. None of the women were pregnant before them. The children Mr. Hargreeves adopter are those of them he could find.
Season 1 Episode 2, from 54:00 to 55:38. Screenshots of the scene are here i tried to make gifs but i failed.
Description
The memory starts with Five wandering around debris and destroyed, like, everything, dragging a cart behind him. Notably, Delores is already there but he's not talking to her and he seems to have just picked along with other things he could have needed.
He stops when a hand sticking out of the debris catches his attention, and when he heads there, he sees it's gripping a glass eye. Unfortunately for him, upon examining the corpse that was holding it he recognizes Luther's facial features and the realization that he's found his brother corpse starts sinking in. Inevitably shock starts taking hold, but he begins looking around in the hopes of finding something— or someone else. He starts running towards the next body he sees, Allison's, and then Diego's. He tries to shake him in the hopes of getting SOMETHING, but obviously, he's dead.
He falls to the ground at that point, but forces himself up shortly after and keeps going, only to stop when he finds Klaus' body and is able to confirm that yes, these are, or rather were, his siblings, when he sees the tattoo.
Description
The memory starts with Five wandering around debris and destroyed, like, everything, dragging a cart behind him. Notably, Delores is already there but he's not talking to her and he seems to have just picked along with other things he could have needed.
He stops when a hand sticking out of the debris catches his attention, and when he heads there, he sees it's gripping a glass eye. Unfortunately for him, upon examining the corpse that was holding it he recognizes Luther's facial features and the realization that he's found his brother corpse starts sinking in. Inevitably shock starts taking hold, but he begins looking around in the hopes of finding something— or someone else. He starts running towards the next body he sees, Allison's, and then Diego's. He tries to shake him in the hopes of getting SOMETHING, but obviously, he's dead.
He falls to the ground at that point, but forces himself up shortly after and keeps going, only to stop when he finds Klaus' body and is able to confirm that yes, these are, or rather were, his siblings, when he sees the tattoo.
Edited 2020-02-21 11:28 (UTC)
Driving to Harold's place and finding Allison Season 1 Episode 8 from 49:00 to 50:00. Screenshots here
DESCRIPTION
The memory starts with Five driving himself and his brothers somewhere. There's a sense of urgency, and Luther in particular is clearly impatient to get to their destination. He asks Five if he can go any faster, to which he replies that if he asks again, he'll burn him with the cigarette lighter.
Eventually they arrive, but it's too late — they find Allison gravely injured, having lost a lot of blood, and Luther immediately goes to her side and like, just loses it.
DESCRIPTION
The memory starts with Five driving himself and his brothers somewhere. There's a sense of urgency, and Luther in particular is clearly impatient to get to their destination. He asks Five if he can go any faster, to which he replies that if he asks again, he'll burn him with the cigarette lighter.
Eventually they arrive, but it's too late — they find Allison gravely injured, having lost a lot of blood, and Luther immediately goes to her side and like, just loses it.
Edited 2020-07-16 10:18 (UTC)
Season 1 Episode 6 54:50 to 56:10 and Season 1 Episode 7 6:15 to 9:40. Screenshots here
DESCRIPTION
It's time for more time travel! This time it's unclear whether it's backwards or forward, especially since it appears he's not actually using his own powers to travel, but some sort of device. Regardless, he appears in his home's living room while his siblings were discussing, and lands pretty roughly - not that it matters, because he already looks TERRIBLE.
The first thing he does is steal his sister's coffee cup and, after drinking it, tries to rile his siblings up so they can actually assist him in saving the world. He's apparently gone to the Temps commission headquarted and managed to intercept the name of the man responsible for the apocalypse: Harold Jenkins.
Despite all his good effort, his siblings seem to be skeptical, and in the midst of the discussion they miss the obvious signs that show Five is injured badly enough to actually show that he's in pain — though to their credit they do have more pressing matters to think about, and Five immediately shows impatience and annoyance at their inability to, like, just listen to him and do what he's asking.
Though eventually Allison is convinced by Five mentioning that she has the chance to save her daughter, and Diego tags along, Luther and Klaus seem to have other plans so ultimately, his attempt to unite the Academy was not exactly successful.
IMPRESSIONS:
There are a few choice quotes "The only chance we have to see the world is, well, us" "The Umbrella Academy" "Yeah, but with me, obviously" and "who cares if dad messed us up? Are we gonna let that define us?" that are particularly relevant, since it's things he felt strongly about in Imeeji! He's been trying to come to terms with his feelings regarding his father + already felt like the reason his siblings died in the apocalypse was because he wasn't there, so that does drive the point home further. Also relevant "Everything about us is crazy, it has always been". And he has a niece!
DESCRIPTION
It's time for more time travel! This time it's unclear whether it's backwards or forward, especially since it appears he's not actually using his own powers to travel, but some sort of device. Regardless, he appears in his home's living room while his siblings were discussing, and lands pretty roughly - not that it matters, because he already looks TERRIBLE.
The first thing he does is steal his sister's coffee cup and, after drinking it, tries to rile his siblings up so they can actually assist him in saving the world. He's apparently gone to the Temps commission headquarted and managed to intercept the name of the man responsible for the apocalypse: Harold Jenkins.
Despite all his good effort, his siblings seem to be skeptical, and in the midst of the discussion they miss the obvious signs that show Five is injured badly enough to actually show that he's in pain — though to their credit they do have more pressing matters to think about, and Five immediately shows impatience and annoyance at their inability to, like, just listen to him and do what he's asking.
Though eventually Allison is convinced by Five mentioning that she has the chance to save her daughter, and Diego tags along, Luther and Klaus seem to have other plans so ultimately, his attempt to unite the Academy was not exactly successful.
IMPRESSIONS:
There are a few choice quotes "The only chance we have to see the world is, well, us" "The Umbrella Academy" "Yeah, but with me, obviously" and "who cares if dad messed us up? Are we gonna let that define us?" that are particularly relevant, since it's things he felt strongly about in Imeeji! He's been trying to come to terms with his feelings regarding his father + already felt like the reason his siblings died in the apocalypse was because he wasn't there, so that does drive the point home further. Also relevant "Everything about us is crazy, it has always been". And he has a niece!
Season 1 Episode 4 1:40 to 2:40 and 6:20 to 8:30. Screenshots HERE
DESCRIPTION:
This time, the memory shows Five as an old man, after all his 40+ years spent in the apocalypse. He's chatting with Delores, though they do seem to be just about to have an argument before they're interrupted by an extremely unexpected visitor. Although Five is ready to shoot at any threats, he is shocked when he sees it's a, huh, actual woman. Alive. And waving at him.
Not shocked enough to lower his weapon, and he demands answer — who she is and why he shouldn't just shoot her immediately. It turns out the woman is part of an organization tasked with the preservation of the time continuum, and she is there to make an offer to him. Join their ranks and become one of their assassins, and leave the apocalypse behind, with the possibility of eventually retiring to a time and place of his choosing.
When Five questions why, if they are able to alter time, they haven't stopped the apocalypse, she replies that it's because it was supposed to happen. Eventually, Five accepts the deal.
Impressions
He was very, very broken there, and it's obvious with the way he stutters at just the POSSIBILITY of leaving the place. It's clear that somewhere along the way, though he never stopped trying, he'd stopped actually believing he'd be able to find a way back.
DESCRIPTION:
This time, the memory shows Five as an old man, after all his 40+ years spent in the apocalypse. He's chatting with Delores, though they do seem to be just about to have an argument before they're interrupted by an extremely unexpected visitor. Although Five is ready to shoot at any threats, he is shocked when he sees it's a, huh, actual woman. Alive. And waving at him.
Not shocked enough to lower his weapon, and he demands answer — who she is and why he shouldn't just shoot her immediately. It turns out the woman is part of an organization tasked with the preservation of the time continuum, and she is there to make an offer to him. Join their ranks and become one of their assassins, and leave the apocalypse behind, with the possibility of eventually retiring to a time and place of his choosing.
When Five questions why, if they are able to alter time, they haven't stopped the apocalypse, she replies that it's because it was supposed to happen. Eventually, Five accepts the deal.
Impressions
He was very, very broken there, and it's obvious with the way he stutters at just the POSSIBILITY of leaving the place. It's clear that somewhere along the way, though he never stopped trying, he'd stopped actually believing he'd be able to find a way back.
Season one episode 1 from 36:10 to 36:50. Screenshots here
DESCRIPTION:
Memory opens with Five in his house's living room, looking at a huge painting of himself displayed above the fireplace. When he hears footsteps behind him, he turns around and sees Vanya, and tells her it's nice to know their father didn't forget him - though from the tone of voice used it's unclear whether it's sarcasm or not. He certainly has a lot of feelings regarding that!
He pushes the conversation along, however, and mentions having read Vanya's book — in which she apparently gave up the family's secrets. Vanya confirms that their siblings now hate her, and Five simply states that there's worse that can happen. To that, she mentions "like what happened to Ben?"
Five keeps quiet for a moment, and there's some obvious uncertainty showing on his face before he asks if it was bad. She justs nods.
IMPRESSION:
- Vanya sticking out like this, writing a book about their family, seems to be absolutely unprecedented.
- Valour now definitely wants to get his hands on this book
- WHAT HAPPENED TO BEN?
DESCRIPTION:
Memory opens with Five in his house's living room, looking at a huge painting of himself displayed above the fireplace. When he hears footsteps behind him, he turns around and sees Vanya, and tells her it's nice to know their father didn't forget him - though from the tone of voice used it's unclear whether it's sarcasm or not. He certainly has a lot of feelings regarding that!
He pushes the conversation along, however, and mentions having read Vanya's book — in which she apparently gave up the family's secrets. Vanya confirms that their siblings now hate her, and Five simply states that there's worse that can happen. To that, she mentions "like what happened to Ben?"
Five keeps quiet for a moment, and there's some obvious uncertainty showing on his face before he asks if it was bad. She justs nods.
IMPRESSION:
- Vanya sticking out like this, writing a book about their family, seems to be absolutely unprecedented.
- Valour now definitely wants to get his hands on this book
- WHAT HAPPENED TO BEN?
Season 1 Episode 1 55:22 to 57:15 and Season 1 episode 2 4:31 to 7:08. here
DESCRIPTION:
Because he's a totally normal brother not weird at all he apparently decided to just go into his sister's apartment and wait for her on her armchair, in ABSOLUTE DARKNESS, only so he can turn on the light when she's opening the door for maximum surprise effect. Just normal things in a normal family life.
After the initial, understandable wtf, Vanya asks why Five is there to begin with, to which he replies he's decided she's the only one he can trust, as she is ordinary. He'll then add "because you'll listen". Each of these statements appear to be true as Five concludes Vanya is the less self-centere of his siblings and the one more likely to actually lend him her ear and assistance.
Since he cut his arm open, like, a bit ago and he's still bleeding, barely having covered the wound, Vanya takes care of medicating his arm while he explains about the end of the world and how he survived in there. Unfortunately, he soon catches on Vanya's skeptichism and concludes coming to her was a mistake after all, as she's young and naive. Vanya, however, tries to convince him to just talk it all over again the day after, as she has work to do in the morning and everything he just dumped on her is A Lot. She specifically mentions she doesn't want to lose him again, which does seem to have an impact on him.
Unfortunately, however, after debating it over for a few moments Five still leaves once Vanya heads to sleep.
IMPRESSION:
- He genuinely thought Vanya was the only one he could ask help to, and knew she'd at least lend him her ear
- Recalling how he survived in the apocalypse IS painful, and he basically immediately required something to drink just to keep the conversation going. In this memory especially everything was still fresh, and he had no idea how to go about trying to prevent the apocalypse
- Vanya's dismissal was particularly annoying BECAUSE he was trusting her, and he essentially leaves thinking "i don't need anyone else", something which he knows from his other memories did not work terribly well either
- Vanya being genuinely concerned for him, and showing it, is touching. There are a lot of feelings and emotions over her specifically saying she didn't want to lose him again.
DESCRIPTION:
Because he's a totally normal brother not weird at all he apparently decided to just go into his sister's apartment and wait for her on her armchair, in ABSOLUTE DARKNESS, only so he can turn on the light when she's opening the door for maximum surprise effect. Just normal things in a normal family life.
After the initial, understandable wtf, Vanya asks why Five is there to begin with, to which he replies he's decided she's the only one he can trust, as she is ordinary. He'll then add "because you'll listen". Each of these statements appear to be true as Five concludes Vanya is the less self-centere of his siblings and the one more likely to actually lend him her ear and assistance.
Since he cut his arm open, like, a bit ago and he's still bleeding, barely having covered the wound, Vanya takes care of medicating his arm while he explains about the end of the world and how he survived in there. Unfortunately, he soon catches on Vanya's skeptichism and concludes coming to her was a mistake after all, as she's young and naive. Vanya, however, tries to convince him to just talk it all over again the day after, as she has work to do in the morning and everything he just dumped on her is A Lot. She specifically mentions she doesn't want to lose him again, which does seem to have an impact on him.
Unfortunately, however, after debating it over for a few moments Five still leaves once Vanya heads to sleep.
IMPRESSION:
- He genuinely thought Vanya was the only one he could ask help to, and knew she'd at least lend him her ear
- Recalling how he survived in the apocalypse IS painful, and he basically immediately required something to drink just to keep the conversation going. In this memory especially everything was still fresh, and he had no idea how to go about trying to prevent the apocalypse
- Vanya's dismissal was particularly annoying BECAUSE he was trusting her, and he essentially leaves thinking "i don't need anyone else", something which he knows from his other memories did not work terribly well either
- Vanya being genuinely concerned for him, and showing it, is touching. There are a lot of feelings and emotions over her specifically saying she didn't want to lose him again.
Edited 2020-03-27 19:33 (UTC)
Season 1 Episode 2 from 26:00 to 28:05. Screenshots here
DESCRIPTION:
This memory seems to be directly after the prior one. Five's back at the Academy, and Vanya went there specifically to look for him and is relieved to see him in his room. Which!! By the way, surprisingly has toys and miniatures in there, and typically childish decorations, along with a lot of books. It's like he was an actual child at some point in his life who would have thought.
Vanya apologizes for having been dismissive, but Five cuts her off and explains that maybe it wasn't wrong of her — that maybe it really was all in his head. From the conversation it's clear that Vanya is once more going out of her way to show genuine concern toward Five, and suggests he talk to a therapist to deal with it all. Five thanks her, but insists he simply needs rest.
As soon as Vanya is out of the way, however, Klaus jumps out of his closet, revealing he was hidden in there. Five seems worried about Vanya hearing them, but fortunately, it doesn't happen. This is where he tried to enlist Klaus help and get him to pose as his father — Klaus choice of outfit is however terrible, and he decides they'll steal some of their father's clothes. Klaus insists on coming up with a cover story for Five's ORIGINS and it's terrible.
IMPRESSIONS:
- He's going out of his way to lie to Vanya about this, to get her out of the way. Part of it is for convenience but there is some concern and it seems he's now decided to just not involve her
- Klaus is, as usual, irritating and extra
DESCRIPTION:
This memory seems to be directly after the prior one. Five's back at the Academy, and Vanya went there specifically to look for him and is relieved to see him in his room. Which!! By the way, surprisingly has toys and miniatures in there, and typically childish decorations, along with a lot of books. It's like he was an actual child at some point in his life who would have thought.
Vanya apologizes for having been dismissive, but Five cuts her off and explains that maybe it wasn't wrong of her — that maybe it really was all in his head. From the conversation it's clear that Vanya is once more going out of her way to show genuine concern toward Five, and suggests he talk to a therapist to deal with it all. Five thanks her, but insists he simply needs rest.
As soon as Vanya is out of the way, however, Klaus jumps out of his closet, revealing he was hidden in there. Five seems worried about Vanya hearing them, but fortunately, it doesn't happen. This is where he tried to enlist Klaus help and get him to pose as his father — Klaus choice of outfit is however terrible, and he decides they'll steal some of their father's clothes. Klaus insists on coming up with a cover story for Five's ORIGINS and it's terrible.
IMPRESSIONS:
- He's going out of his way to lie to Vanya about this, to get her out of the way. Part of it is for convenience but there is some concern and it seems he's now decided to just not involve her
- Klaus is, as usual, irritating and extra
Season 1 Episode 1 17:30 to 18:20. Screenshots here.
DESCRIPTION:
The memory shows Mom bringing Five and his siblings to Reginald's office, as the children are ready for bed and they want to say goodnight. They seem to be genuinely waiting and hopeful for some sort of acknowledgement that, however, never comes. Reginald doesn't address them, doesn't say anything, doesn't even look up from his papers.
Though Mom is noticeably awkward, at the dismissal she gathers the children to take them to bed. Allison seems to be particularly upset at the lack of acknowledgement.
IMPRESSION:
- This was not usual (wanting to say goodnight) and it does seem they had to gather some courage to go through with it. Unfortunately it was entirely pointless because Reggie doesn't give a shit.
DESCRIPTION:
The memory shows Mom bringing Five and his siblings to Reginald's office, as the children are ready for bed and they want to say goodnight. They seem to be genuinely waiting and hopeful for some sort of acknowledgement that, however, never comes. Reginald doesn't address them, doesn't say anything, doesn't even look up from his papers.
Though Mom is noticeably awkward, at the dismissal she gathers the children to take them to bed. Allison seems to be particularly upset at the lack of acknowledgement.
IMPRESSION:
- This was not usual (wanting to say goodnight) and it does seem they had to gather some courage to go through with it. Unfortunately it was entirely pointless because Reggie doesn't give a shit.
Season 1 Episode 5 34:00 to 36:40. Screenshots here
DESCRIPTION:
Five is holed up in his room and mathing on EVERY SINGLE WALL. Once he's satisfied with the final result of his calculations, he relies this to Delores, which prompts his brother to come into his room and ask who he's talking to — and what he's been doing.
Five explains he was working on a probability map, to find whose death could stop the apocalypse. When prompted by Luther, he specifies it's not people who might cause it, but merely people whose death might prevent it. Since he's brother doesn't follow, he explains that it's a case of butterfly effect — the slightest alteration of events can cause massively different outcomes in the timeline, which is what he's aiming for.
As these people are not criminals but innocent civilians, Luther is not on board with murder and tries to dissuade Five from going through with it, explaining that "they" don't work like that. Five is however having none of it and points out that it's he who is doing it, and not them. One death in exchange for billions of lives is, after all, a reasonable deal - all the more so considering the guy would be dead in 4 days regardless.
This prompts Luther to threaten Delores, which Five doesn't take kindly to. He immediately points the gun at him and threatens him, but ultimately when Luther doesn't relent and lets go of Delores out of the window, he just uses his power to switch their positions around so he can save her.
Once Five is successfully stopped and he now has the gun, Luther tells him that he knows he's still a good person, and that he's no longer alone, clearly implying that he should rely on his family. At the end of it, Five seems to have a plan, but believes it's just about impossible. Luther simply remarks "more impossible than what brought you back here?"
DESCRIPTION:
Five is holed up in his room and mathing on EVERY SINGLE WALL. Once he's satisfied with the final result of his calculations, he relies this to Delores, which prompts his brother to come into his room and ask who he's talking to — and what he's been doing.
Five explains he was working on a probability map, to find whose death could stop the apocalypse. When prompted by Luther, he specifies it's not people who might cause it, but merely people whose death might prevent it. Since he's brother doesn't follow, he explains that it's a case of butterfly effect — the slightest alteration of events can cause massively different outcomes in the timeline, which is what he's aiming for.
As these people are not criminals but innocent civilians, Luther is not on board with murder and tries to dissuade Five from going through with it, explaining that "they" don't work like that. Five is however having none of it and points out that it's he who is doing it, and not them. One death in exchange for billions of lives is, after all, a reasonable deal - all the more so considering the guy would be dead in 4 days regardless.
This prompts Luther to threaten Delores, which Five doesn't take kindly to. He immediately points the gun at him and threatens him, but ultimately when Luther doesn't relent and lets go of Delores out of the window, he just uses his power to switch their positions around so he can save her.
Once Five is successfully stopped and he now has the gun, Luther tells him that he knows he's still a good person, and that he's no longer alone, clearly implying that he should rely on his family. At the end of it, Five seems to have a plan, but believes it's just about impossible. Luther simply remarks "more impossible than what brought you back here?"
Edited 2020-04-17 14:37 (UTC)
Season 1 Episode 5, from 45:00 to 53:50, Screenshots here
DESCRIPTIONS
Luther and Five are in the car together, headed to a meeting place and waiting for someone. Once they stop, Five takes the chance to have a heart to heart talk with Luther, and confesses to him that he never actually enjoyed killing — despite taking pride in his work. He further explains that he's pretty sure the years he spent alone fucked him up, to which Luther is sympathetic and understanding.
He asks Five if he believes their bluff will work, and Five tells him that he knows they're desperate, so they're likely to do anything for the briefcase. Luther then decides he should be the one to kep the breifcase then, in case they try to hurt Five. He surprisingly agrees, but does urge Luther to be careful, as unlike him he's young and still has his whole life ahead of him.
Hazel and Cha-Cha, those they had been waiting for, show up shortly after. Before he approaches them, Five asks Luther to tell Delores he's sorry if anything ends up happening to him.
Once negotiation time starts, Five demands to meet with Hazel and Cha-Cha's superior — The Handler — in exchange for the briefcase they lost. Though they are reluctant they have no other choice, so eventually they comply. While waiting for the Handler to show up, however, UNEXPECTED GUESTS in the form of Klaus and Diego riding an ice cream truck come along, prompting Hazel and Cha-Cha to start shooting. Notably, Luther immediately places himself in front of Five to protect him.
Not that it matters, because not a second later time stops entirely for everyone but Five and The Handler, who just showed up.
After some pointless pleasantries and exchanges, The Handler asks Five what he wants, to which he replies that he wants her to put a stop to the Apocalypse. She explains that she can't, as what's meant to be is meant to be, and Five threatens her with a gun. Unfortunately, not only is she not particularly intimidated, but she quickly goes to the verbal counterattack.
She tells Five that his goal of stopping the apocalypse is just a fantasy, but also offers him a new position at the Commission, reasoning that everyone has been impressed with his ability to stick to his goal. When Five points out that working for them did not exactly go well last time, she explains they want them in Management, and not in the correction division. She further tries to sweeten the deal by telling Five they can reverse his age regression and return him to his normal body.
Five seems to be receptive of the proposal, but demands his family be saved as well. After taking steps to ensure none of his brothers would get hurt when time resumes, Five agrees to the deal and shakes The Handler's hand, disappearing right after.
CONSIDERATIONS:
- There's a lot of fondness for Luther, and in this memory he's definitely starting to feel like he's part of his family again, rather than an outsider.
- The briefcase they got is fake — that's what the bluff was all about. This seemed to be a crazy plan but somehow, it worked.
- The original idea WAS to just threaten The Handler into doing what he wanted, but her proposal for a management position at the Home Office changed things. Taking the memory he knows he did not trust her, did not want to take the position, but that going to the Home Office would provide him with a strategic advantage, which is why he agreed.
- The Handler can read him fairly well, but she doesn't UNDERSTAND him. He can tell from their interactions that there's some mutual, begrudging respect, as well as thinking that the other is the biggest pain they have to deal with.
- She's irritatingly touchy-feely and he's pretty sure she does that to annoy him.
- There's a very important exchange that sums up a lot of who he is. When The Handler says "You can't be happy like this" he immediately retorts with "I'm not looking for happy", to which she replies "we're all looking for happy". Happiness is irrelevant and takes second place to his goal and priority.
DESCRIPTIONS
Luther and Five are in the car together, headed to a meeting place and waiting for someone. Once they stop, Five takes the chance to have a heart to heart talk with Luther, and confesses to him that he never actually enjoyed killing — despite taking pride in his work. He further explains that he's pretty sure the years he spent alone fucked him up, to which Luther is sympathetic and understanding.
He asks Five if he believes their bluff will work, and Five tells him that he knows they're desperate, so they're likely to do anything for the briefcase. Luther then decides he should be the one to kep the breifcase then, in case they try to hurt Five. He surprisingly agrees, but does urge Luther to be careful, as unlike him he's young and still has his whole life ahead of him.
Hazel and Cha-Cha, those they had been waiting for, show up shortly after. Before he approaches them, Five asks Luther to tell Delores he's sorry if anything ends up happening to him.
Once negotiation time starts, Five demands to meet with Hazel and Cha-Cha's superior — The Handler — in exchange for the briefcase they lost. Though they are reluctant they have no other choice, so eventually they comply. While waiting for the Handler to show up, however, UNEXPECTED GUESTS in the form of Klaus and Diego riding an ice cream truck come along, prompting Hazel and Cha-Cha to start shooting. Notably, Luther immediately places himself in front of Five to protect him.
Not that it matters, because not a second later time stops entirely for everyone but Five and The Handler, who just showed up.
After some pointless pleasantries and exchanges, The Handler asks Five what he wants, to which he replies that he wants her to put a stop to the Apocalypse. She explains that she can't, as what's meant to be is meant to be, and Five threatens her with a gun. Unfortunately, not only is she not particularly intimidated, but she quickly goes to the verbal counterattack.
She tells Five that his goal of stopping the apocalypse is just a fantasy, but also offers him a new position at the Commission, reasoning that everyone has been impressed with his ability to stick to his goal. When Five points out that working for them did not exactly go well last time, she explains they want them in Management, and not in the correction division. She further tries to sweeten the deal by telling Five they can reverse his age regression and return him to his normal body.
Five seems to be receptive of the proposal, but demands his family be saved as well. After taking steps to ensure none of his brothers would get hurt when time resumes, Five agrees to the deal and shakes The Handler's hand, disappearing right after.
CONSIDERATIONS:
- There's a lot of fondness for Luther, and in this memory he's definitely starting to feel like he's part of his family again, rather than an outsider.
- The briefcase they got is fake — that's what the bluff was all about. This seemed to be a crazy plan but somehow, it worked.
- The original idea WAS to just threaten The Handler into doing what he wanted, but her proposal for a management position at the Home Office changed things. Taking the memory he knows he did not trust her, did not want to take the position, but that going to the Home Office would provide him with a strategic advantage, which is why he agreed.
- The Handler can read him fairly well, but she doesn't UNDERSTAND him. He can tell from their interactions that there's some mutual, begrudging respect, as well as thinking that the other is the biggest pain they have to deal with.
- She's irritatingly touchy-feely and he's pretty sure she does that to annoy him.
- There's a very important exchange that sums up a lot of who he is. When The Handler says "You can't be happy like this" he immediately retorts with "I'm not looking for happy", to which she replies "we're all looking for happy". Happiness is irrelevant and takes second place to his goal and priority.
Edited 2020-04-29 09:40 (UTC)
Season 1 Episode 6 50:08 to 54:20. Screenshots Here
DESCRIPTION:
Five is at the Commission's headquarters, following someone. It appears to have been a smart decision as the woman quickly reveals The Handler knows Five is up to something, and asks to send a message to Hazel and Cha-Cha.
Once Dot leaves the place, Five teleports himself behind Gloria and knocks her out before she can send the message — intercepting it and taking it for himself. This is the "Protect Harold Jenkins" order he already saw in prior memories. He quickly decide to take care of Hazel and Cha-Cha at the same time, by sending them a fake order to kill the other. Though he manages that just fine, the Handler discovers him.
She tells him that he's disappointed her, that she can't understand how a first-rate pragmatist like him can't discard his fantasy of saving the world, and that he belongs with the Commission. Five replies that he doesn't belong anywhere thanks to her, as she made him a killer. The Handler seems to be of a different opinion and points out that he always was, she just pointed him in a direction.
At this point she starts shooting at him, and Dot sounds the alarm to evacuate the place. As The Handler shoots, Five simply teleports from place to place and hides to avoid getting hit - very quickly exhausting himself.
As they continue their confrontation, The Handler tells him that she saved him from a lifetime of being alone, and that he owes her. Luckily for him, this is also when she runs out of ammo. He teleports himself behind her and throws a grenade at her after pointing out that although he owes a debt, it's not to her.
After escaping, he heads to the breifcase room where he stals one, unpinning and throwing another grenade shortly after. Though he takes the burnt of some of the explosion, he teleports himself back (forward?) to his family in time to avoid most of it.
DESCRIPTION:
Five is at the Commission's headquarters, following someone. It appears to have been a smart decision as the woman quickly reveals The Handler knows Five is up to something, and asks to send a message to Hazel and Cha-Cha.
Once Dot leaves the place, Five teleports himself behind Gloria and knocks her out before she can send the message — intercepting it and taking it for himself. This is the "Protect Harold Jenkins" order he already saw in prior memories. He quickly decide to take care of Hazel and Cha-Cha at the same time, by sending them a fake order to kill the other. Though he manages that just fine, the Handler discovers him.
She tells him that he's disappointed her, that she can't understand how a first-rate pragmatist like him can't discard his fantasy of saving the world, and that he belongs with the Commission. Five replies that he doesn't belong anywhere thanks to her, as she made him a killer. The Handler seems to be of a different opinion and points out that he always was, she just pointed him in a direction.
At this point she starts shooting at him, and Dot sounds the alarm to evacuate the place. As The Handler shoots, Five simply teleports from place to place and hides to avoid getting hit - very quickly exhausting himself.
As they continue their confrontation, The Handler tells him that she saved him from a lifetime of being alone, and that he owes her. Luckily for him, this is also when she runs out of ammo. He teleports himself behind her and throws a grenade at her after pointing out that although he owes a debt, it's not to her.
After escaping, he heads to the breifcase room where he stals one, unpinning and throwing another grenade shortly after. Though he takes the burnt of some of the explosion, he teleports himself back (forward?) to his family in time to avoid most of it.
Edited 2020-04-29 10:18 (UTC)
This one is actually from the comics but unlikely to ever come up in S2 of the show and I like it so I'm totally headcanoning this in TV show universe because no one can stop me. Pages here
DESCRIPTION:
Wanting to show off the potential and extraordinary abilities of his kids, sir Reginald has invited some Esteemed People to evaluate the children. Five was to do a demonstration of his abilities and intellect - however, not wanting to be Reginald's circus monkey, he purposely made a far less impressive display of the solar system instead, no better than any other normal child would have been able to.
Despite that he maintains his arrogance, and doesn't make it particularly hard to spot that this was on purpose, and that he's insulting the intelligence of literally everyone else in the room in a single go. Reginald does call him out on it, but that's the end of that.
DESCRIPTION:
Wanting to show off the potential and extraordinary abilities of his kids, sir Reginald has invited some Esteemed People to evaluate the children. Five was to do a demonstration of his abilities and intellect - however, not wanting to be Reginald's circus monkey, he purposely made a far less impressive display of the solar system instead, no better than any other normal child would have been able to.
Despite that he maintains his arrogance, and doesn't make it particularly hard to spot that this was on purpose, and that he's insulting the intelligence of literally everyone else in the room in a single go. Reginald does call him out on it, but that's the end of that.
Edited 2020-05-18 09:58 (UTC)
Season 1 Episode 8, from 8:00 to 11:50. Screenshots here
DESCRIPTION
It is Morning and apparently Five has just barely recovered from SOMETHING, because he can tell he was injured and received medical care. Not that it matters! Klaus has prepared coffee and he immediately steals a cup from Luther's hands - though it tastes awful.
Klaus seems to have something to say and eventually reveals he was able to conjure sir Reginald. Neither Five nor Luther are inclined to believe him, but eventually, they decide to at least listen to what he has to say. Klaus reveals the encounter went about as well as one would expect with their father (so it was shit), but also that he told him how he died.
He killed himself.
Though nobody believes Klaus at first, upon his insistence it does start to seem more plausible: their father had apparently been depressed, and he did send Luther to the moon for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. Eventually Pogo, their butler, steps in and explains the situation, confirms Reginald did in fact kill himself, and Pogo and Grace, their robot mother, assisted with the matter. Grace was even reprogrammed to be unable to provide first aid and save him.
Reginald's hope was that his death, and solving the mystery of it, would rekindle the desire of his children to be a team. And of course, once they got all back together, they could save the world.
It's heavy news and Five is not sure how to take it, so in the end, he declares that he needs to think and disappears in a flash of blue light.
DESCRIPTION
It is Morning and apparently Five has just barely recovered from SOMETHING, because he can tell he was injured and received medical care. Not that it matters! Klaus has prepared coffee and he immediately steals a cup from Luther's hands - though it tastes awful.
Klaus seems to have something to say and eventually reveals he was able to conjure sir Reginald. Neither Five nor Luther are inclined to believe him, but eventually, they decide to at least listen to what he has to say. Klaus reveals the encounter went about as well as one would expect with their father (so it was shit), but also that he told him how he died.
He killed himself.
Though nobody believes Klaus at first, upon his insistence it does start to seem more plausible: their father had apparently been depressed, and he did send Luther to the moon for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. Eventually Pogo, their butler, steps in and explains the situation, confirms Reginald did in fact kill himself, and Pogo and Grace, their robot mother, assisted with the matter. Grace was even reprogrammed to be unable to provide first aid and save him.
Reginald's hope was that his death, and solving the mystery of it, would rekindle the desire of his children to be a team. And of course, once they got all back together, they could save the world.
It's heavy news and Five is not sure how to take it, so in the end, he declares that he needs to think and disappears in a flash of blue light.
Edited 2020-05-18 16:45 (UTC)
Spoilers for end season so don't read if you have any intention of picking up Umbrella Academy at any point (and care about spoilers) Screenshots here
Season 1 Episode 10 from 9:30 to 11:10
Description:
The Academy has been completely destroyed. Diego is frantically searching for Mom among the rubble, having a hard time accepting her death. Klaus manages to pull him away, but he insists on not leaving her behind, and asks about Pogo. Luther interrupts mentioning that Pogo has been killed by Vanya.
Five shows up shortly after with a newspaper he found, and explains that's the same newspaper he found in the apocalypse when he got stuck, and that the headline hasn't changed. This means that the apocalypse is still on, and the world is about to end. He concludes that he had been wrong, that Harold Jenkins was not the one to cause the apocalypse but merely the one to set Vanya off, and that she's the one who's going to cause the apocalypse.
As authorities start arriving, Five and his siblings scatter and decide to regroup at the Super Star.
Season 1 Episode 10 from 9:30 to 11:10
Description:
The Academy has been completely destroyed. Diego is frantically searching for Mom among the rubble, having a hard time accepting her death. Klaus manages to pull him away, but he insists on not leaving her behind, and asks about Pogo. Luther interrupts mentioning that Pogo has been killed by Vanya.
Five shows up shortly after with a newspaper he found, and explains that's the same newspaper he found in the apocalypse when he got stuck, and that the headline hasn't changed. This means that the apocalypse is still on, and the world is about to end. He concludes that he had been wrong, that Harold Jenkins was not the one to cause the apocalypse but merely the one to set Vanya off, and that she's the one who's going to cause the apocalypse.
As authorities start arriving, Five and his siblings scatter and decide to regroup at the Super Star.
Edited 2020-06-05 20:52 (UTC)
Season 1 Episode 4 from 16:30 to 17:38 and from 24:50 to 25:30. Screenshots here
DESCRIPTION:
Five has been following the guy from the prosthetics company from which the glass eye he retrieved in the apocalypse has been made, and after noticing he's been exchanging money with Suspicious Figures decided to make his move.
He teleports right in his car and threatens him with a knife at his throat, demanding answers. The guy explains that he's been selling to fake people on the black market, and confirms the eye might have already been made, and might be present in the list of those sales.
Five demands to see the list, and Lance complies (like, not that he had much of a choice) and drives him back to the company. Unfortunately, guess what's on fire and eventually explodes! Five gets caught in the explosion but is ultimately physically fine. He does, however, have to see another lead end up nowhere.
DESCRIPTION:
Five has been following the guy from the prosthetics company from which the glass eye he retrieved in the apocalypse has been made, and after noticing he's been exchanging money with Suspicious Figures decided to make his move.
He teleports right in his car and threatens him with a knife at his throat, demanding answers. The guy explains that he's been selling to fake people on the black market, and confirms the eye might have already been made, and might be present in the list of those sales.
Five demands to see the list, and Lance complies (like, not that he had much of a choice) and drives him back to the company. Unfortunately, guess what's on fire and eventually explodes! Five gets caught in the explosion but is ultimately physically fine. He does, however, have to see another lead end up nowhere.
Season 1 Episode 1 from 36:51 to 40:13, screenshots here
DESCRIPTION:
The Hargrevees siblings (read: Luther) have decided to pay respect to their departed father and say their final goodbyes, so they gather outside in the garden. Mom and Pogo are present as well, though Mom is visibly off and initially doesn't seem to understand what they are doing. Apparently, she needs to "recharge".
With Pogo's encouragement, Luther drops Reginald's ashes, though because it's raining and there's no wind, they simply fall to the ground instead of being dispersed.
Pogo asks if anyone wishes to say something, to which all siblings stay silent. He takes it upon himself to honor Reginald's memory then, giving a nice speech about how he made him what he is today, and that he was a dear friend that he will miss very much. The moment he says "he leaves a complicated legacy behind", however, Diego intervenes by specifying he was a monster, and a worse father.
He ends up getting into an argument with Luther, which eventually escalates to a fight. As Five is well aware that they don't have time for stupid fights, he just leaves.
DESCRIPTION:
The Hargrevees siblings (read: Luther) have decided to pay respect to their departed father and say their final goodbyes, so they gather outside in the garden. Mom and Pogo are present as well, though Mom is visibly off and initially doesn't seem to understand what they are doing. Apparently, she needs to "recharge".
With Pogo's encouragement, Luther drops Reginald's ashes, though because it's raining and there's no wind, they simply fall to the ground instead of being dispersed.
Pogo asks if anyone wishes to say something, to which all siblings stay silent. He takes it upon himself to honor Reginald's memory then, giving a nice speech about how he made him what he is today, and that he was a dear friend that he will miss very much. The moment he says "he leaves a complicated legacy behind", however, Diego intervenes by specifying he was a monster, and a worse father.
He ends up getting into an argument with Luther, which eventually escalates to a fight. As Five is well aware that they don't have time for stupid fights, he just leaves.
Season 1 Episode 10 from 28:00 to 30:30 screenshots here
DESCRIPTION:
The memory opens by showing Five approaching a motel room - and then being invited in by the Handler. Once inside, he finds the woman working at Girdy is being held hostage. Not that he cares particularly.
The Handler apparently sent him a message, and starts explaining how much damage Five has done since they last saw each other. Five cuts her off and asks her what she wants, to which she goes on another rant about how she wants to be happy and just do her job, which she can't while Five is there.
Five once more tries to reason with her, explaining that billions of people will die tonight, but that she can change that. The Handler, however, doubles down on the Commission's raison d'être - what's meant to be is meant to be. She once more offers him a way out, tells him he can skip ahead of the apocalypse and wander there for decades, waiting to see if she'll offer him a job again, or die a horrible death.
She then concludes with "while you weigh your options, just know that your siblings are fighting for their lives without you", which makes it clear that the objective was actually to keep him away for long enough.
At that, he leaves immediately.
DESCRIPTION:
The memory opens by showing Five approaching a motel room - and then being invited in by the Handler. Once inside, he finds the woman working at Girdy is being held hostage. Not that he cares particularly.
The Handler apparently sent him a message, and starts explaining how much damage Five has done since they last saw each other. Five cuts her off and asks her what she wants, to which she goes on another rant about how she wants to be happy and just do her job, which she can't while Five is there.
Five once more tries to reason with her, explaining that billions of people will die tonight, but that she can change that. The Handler, however, doubles down on the Commission's raison d'être - what's meant to be is meant to be. She once more offers him a way out, tells him he can skip ahead of the apocalypse and wander there for decades, waiting to see if she'll offer him a job again, or die a horrible death.
She then concludes with "while you weigh your options, just know that your siblings are fighting for their lives without you", which makes it clear that the objective was actually to keep him away for long enough.
At that, he leaves immediately.
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